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Have you seen my ascending thread? Guide - To Transcend
I think ascension is a waste of time, and is pretty much anti-black pill, so long as you have the hope to do so, if this ever did become a movement you'd never be truly committed, you'd try to play both sides, try to get dates and up your looks while trying to operate within the movement, and now we'd pretty much be left with a sleeper agent who if at any point ascended we'd see him next on shows and on news talking about the ins and outs of the incel organization, our weaknesses, our leaders, our identities, our plans, etc.

I plan on starting a "group" that is organized and focused on spreading the black pill and doing covert shit to fuck with society and women (similar to the "ThotAudit") just on various aspects of normies lives. I would never allow anybody who is currently trying to or had future hopes of "ascending" to join, you'd just half ass the thing because you aren't really committed, because you have one foot in and one foot out, just waiting for your chance to leave. I don't see the point in "ascending" I'd rather "descend", you have more secure control over your own life and resources that way.

I made a few threads on incels.is about this very thing:

For "Ascension Copers": Getting A GF Is The Easy Part (Its Better To "Descend") - Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate
Men Who Get Married & "Ascension Copers" Think They Are Better Than All Of Us - Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

I may repost them here now.
 
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I think ascension is a waste of time, and is pretty much anti-black pill, so long as you have the hope to do so, if this ever did become a movement you'd never be truly committed, you'd try to play both sides, try to get dates and up your looks while trying to operate within the movement, and now we'd pretty much be left with a sleeper agent who if at any point ascended we'd see him next on shows and on news talking about the ins and outs of the incel organization, our weaknesses, our leaders, our identities, our plans, etc.

I plan on starting a "group" who is organized and focused on spreading the black pill and doing covert shit to fuck with society and women (similar to the "ThotAudit") just on various aspects of normies lives. I would never allow anybody who is currently trying to or had future hopes of "ascending", you'd just half ass the thing because you aren't really committed, because you have one foot in and one foot out, just waiting for your chance to leave. I don't see the point in "ascending" I'd rather "descend", you have more secure control over your own life and resources that way.

I made a few threads on incels.is about this very thing:

For "Ascension Copers": Getting A GF Is The Easy Part (Its Better To "Descend") - Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate
Men Who Get Married & "Ascension Copers" Think They Are Better Than All Of Us - Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

I may repose them here now.
We can have a public group and a covert group. My only goal is to lower femoid smv, so I won't mind if other men try to better themselves while working on our mission.
 
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My only goal is to lower femoid smv, so I won't mind if other men try to better themselves while working on our mission.
That's my goal too but you can't lower the collective female SMV by increasing collective male SMV, that's not how this all works. Self improvement only works on a case by case basis, if you improve YOUR looks, it only benefits YOU. If men collectively increase their looks then women will just collectively increase their standards, like I said earlier before:

You'd be underestimating women's hypergamy if you think men improving will makes things better, women will just adapt and become even pickier to compensate for those changes, that's just how they are.

If you have a leaky faucet and the sink is clogged, how would you solve that problem:
A. Fix the problem (the leak and clog)
B. Widen and deepen the sink (improvement)

If you choose B, then it will work, temporarily, but at some point the sink is still going to overflow, just like at some point women's standards will continue to rise and increase making any improvement a waste of time.
You can't widen and deepen a sink as a solution to rising water levels in a sink, the problem to begin with is women's RISING standards, similar to my analagous problem of RISING water levels, if you simply widen the sink (raise the maximum capacity, as in increase the capacity of the basic level of male looks) at some point women's RISING standards will surpass that capacity and were right back to square one, but in fact now the problem will be harder to fix because women will be used to an even higher standard of regular looks than they were before.

We are only hurting ourselves if we increase the collective looks of males.

Do you know how we increase male SMV, we have to attack the female power structure, all of women's power revolves around the monopoly they have over sexual and reproductive resources, so in order to effectively reduce their SMV we have to destroy the monopoly.

How can we do so:
1. Advocate for the decriminalization of prostitution (or at least legalization)

2. Invest in the development and production of a cheap, low risk, and effective male contraceptive

3. Fuck with the tools that women use today to amplify their "sexual power" e.g. Tinder - I'm quite surprised no one has yet to create a virus that can be spread through tinder, make it a mundane non-aggressive virus that can hide itself from mobile anti-viruses, set it up to save all the texts, images, videos, etc currently on that specific females mobile and send it back to you. I think data in some form is transferred between matched users on the app, especially if they message each other, so there has to be some way for you to catfish as chad and gather data of whores using the app, then you can just mass dox them if you please. Of course my example here is somewhat ridiculous and convoluted, a better example of what I'm talking about was posted on incels.is

Foids who did amateur porn for "GirlsDoPorn" doxxed by 4chan, are claiming to be "victims" and suing the company - Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

Uncovering a San Diego Porn Scheme

This is the kind of shit we need to be organizing and doing behind the scenes, slut shaming is now basically outlawed, but it is only outlawed "publicly", women are still ashamed about being sluts, they still know its shameful, they just know its illegal and currently not socially acceptable for men to slut shame, shit like above gives society a reality check, yes being a slut is shameful and no amount of denying it will change that.

The group I create or join will being doing things like this, think of it like an "Incel Illuminati"
 
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you can't lower the collective female SMV by increasing collective male SMV, that's not how this all works. Self improvement only works on a case by case basis, if you improve YOUR looks, it only benefits YOU. If men collectively increase their looks then women will just collectively increase their standards,
I agree with your ways of decreasing femoid SMV, but I don't think it would hurt to also work on ourselves while we're doing it. The only people disciplined enough to follow the guidelines I wrote out have to be blackpilled and admit to themselves there are things wrong with them that they need to change. If only blackpillers, chads, and rich betas ascend there will still be plenty of bottom feeding cucks and soyboys to pick up the left overs.
 
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I agree with your ways of decreasing femoid SMV, but I don't think it would hurt to also work on ourselves while we're doing it. The only people disciplined enough to follow the guidelines I wrote out have to be blackpilled and admit to themselves there are things wrong with them that they need to change. If only blackpillers, chads, and rich betas ascend there will still be plenty of bottom feeding cucks and soyboys to pick up the left overs.
You are kind of advocating for the worst kind of working on yourself, you aren't just saying stuff like:

1. Teach yourself by gaining useful skills/knowledge (programming, trading stocks, investing)
2. Health (physical fitness, diet, etc)

You are talking about shit like mewing to make your Jaw look more attractive to women, that's the wrong focus on improvement and again it only makes things worse for the male collective, we should be improving OURSELVES, not improving HOW WOMEN PERCEIVE US.

I think that's the difference in goals, your goals seem to be improvement for the sake of ascension, I only value improvement for the sake of revenge and sustenance.

Looks maxing is nothing more than "practical PUA", rather than putting theories of mental manipulation to use (theoretical PUA) you are instead putting those theories into practical use and physically adapting yourself. Its all still just PUA.

Also whats wrong is even in your words, you said men need to admit to themselves there are things WRONG with them that they NEED to change, but its nothing wrong with them, were talking about average looking men too that fall into the incel pool, not being chad is not equivalent to something being wrong with you, you have to see the irony that guys like yourself have basically taken on the foid mindset in a way, notice you didn't say they just have to do it to compete in an unfair system, you are saying something is wrong with them for literally being average or even being slightly below average (by logic that doesn't means something is wrong with them, there should be women in the same league available to them). The only people that I'd say NEED to get stuff like facial surgery, etc are people with physical facial deformities, every other group of man should be able to pair up with a female in their own league, its not them that has something wrong with them, its the world that's wrong, everything is upside down, we just live in a fucked up era to be a man.
 

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you said men need to admit to themselves there are things WRONG with them that they NEED to change, but its nothing wrong with them, were talking about average looking men too that fall into the incel pool, not being chad is not equivalent to something being wrong with you, you have to see the irony that guys like yourself have basically taken on the foid mindset in a way, notice you didn't say they just have to do it to compete in an unfair system, you are saying something is wrong with them for literally being average or even being slightly below average (by logic that doesn't means something is wrong with them, there should be women in the same league available to them). The only people that I'd say NEED to get stuff like facial surgery, etc are people with physical facial deformities, every other group of man should be able to pair up with a female in their own league, its not them that has something wrong with them, its the world that's wrong, everything is upside down, we just live in a fucked up era to be a man.
I didn't mean there's anything wrong with them physically objectively, they're only not ideally what most women want. The system is unfair and foid smv is too high, we need all the advantages we can get. Foids use makeup, surgery, push up bras, etc., so it's only fair that we do things that work in our favor. Working on lowering femoid and taking care of yourself should be something we do simultaneously. Taking care of ourselves and "looksmaxxing" should be something vital we all do regardless, like drinking enough water and brushing our teeth. Them getting their pussies more wet on our looks is more of a benefit than a disadvantage to blackpillers.
 
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Them getting their pussies more wet on our looks is more of a benefit than a disadvantage to blackpillers.
1. Damn you are coping

2. No its a benefit to men who want to ascend and join the normies side, not black pillers, like I said, I could never let a guy like yourself in on anything of significance that I did in this movement because you are basically a sleeper agent, you'd betray the entire operation if it meant you getting laid and women seeing you as desirable, if such a narrow feat is your be all end all of goals then you can't be trusted.

I don't think you get it, but guys like you are basically just waiting to jump ship, and were all supposed to just pal around and spread tips, advice, strategies, etc to help each other jump ship, most men who do this aren't really black pilled to begin with, they just lack the option to be a normie, and the moment they ascend they are going to forget about all the black pill shit and may evens start bad talking the community.

I think Jack Peterson is a great example of this, he was good looking to begin with, not even an incel, and like @Leucosticte has even said a lot of so called incels from the incels.is forum are just larpers, I've seen a good amount of the "rate me" images from users and felt like I was getting trolled, a bunch of average looking and in some cases above average looking fuckers. Pretty sure he was one of those guys into the "ascension" mindset, and its prone to a traitorous mindset with respect to inceldom and the black pill. The moment one of you guys get a chance to "truly ascend" and you can leave your past behind, you will erase said past and never return and when inceldom and the black pill comes up in conversations you'll denounce it to fit it, because why ruin your perfect little life you have now.

Imagine if you were of a high rank in the army and you were interviewing recruits, and the guy you're interviewing says - "So long as you have me i'll be the best comrade on the battle field you could wish for.................. but if I get a chance to join the enemy forces I'm taking it sorry"

That's what "ascension copers" are to me, you're just "temporary support", like mercenaries, you can't be trusted, I want nothing to do with the entire "ascension" BS. I'd much rather wealthmaxx, save and stabalize my wealth, and move to a 3rd world country with cheap prostitution rates. Its a lot less effort, and a lot more feasible than dedicating years and thousands of dollars into a gamble that may not even pay off, and even if it does pay off its not even permanent (you can still get cheated on when she finds someone better). "Ascension" is just an endless up hill battle, it does not end.

3. Taking care of yourself and looksmaxxing are not the same thing, one has its focus on the cosmetic appearance of health, the other is actual health and most importantly wealth. A hardcore looksmaxxer could use anabolic steroids to increase his gains for peak physical attractiveness, he'll look "cosmetically healthy" but he won't be "physically healthy", one's focus on the kind of health they are seeking determines what they are willing to do to get it, what they are willing to sacrifice, by "looksmaxxing" were have lowered ourselves to the base level mindset of women who use make up and get breast implants, ironically though in their case the only value they have are looks, so they are improving their sole asset, men are valued for our wealth and resources, so looksmaxxing is a man lowering the stock of what he's primarily valued for, in trade to increase the stock of what he's secondarily valued for, and even then its still a game of "gambling for pussy" and hoping you get a chance.

Either way I'm done arguing this, your mindset is clear as day - "muh minutely increased chances of validation based sex"

Good luck, but you sound delusional as hell when you say stuff like - "Them getting their pussies more wet on our looks is more of a benefit than a disadvantage to blackpillers."

As though there is some guarantee that they'll be wet for you after all that effort, a 5 becoming a 6 has a chance but has to compete against all the other 6's who are BASED LEVEL 6'S and can also self improve, a 4 becoming a 5 is still just average, a 3 becoming a 4 is still below average, those are the base looks ranges of incel men, so what the hell is looksmaxxing really going to accomplish for most incels........... nothing, its a cope.
 
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you'd betray the entire operation if it meant you getting laid and women seeing you as desirable, if such a narrow feat is your be all end all of goals then you can't be trusted.
That's not true. You can have a girl friend and still fight on men's side to lower foid's smv, that might also help you because you can get a better looking girl friend or another one. Just because you finally have sex doesn't mean you forget about the blackpill and start to accept hypergamous thots.
That's what "ascension copers" are to me, you're just "temporary support", like mercenaries, you can't be trusted, I want nothing to do with the entire "ascension" BS. I'd much rather wealthmaxx, save and stabalize my wealth, and move to a 3rd world country with cheap prostitution rates. Its a lot less effort, and a lot more feasible than dedicating years and thousands of dollars into a gamble that may not even pay off, and even if it does pay off its not even permanent (you can still get cheated on when she finds someone better). "Ascension" is just an endless up hill battle, it does not end.
Isn't making money a way to better yourself in order to make getting pussy easier for you?
 
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That's not true. You can have a girl friend and still fight on men's side to lower foid's smv
1. I'll say this again for the last time just incase you don't get it, increasing mens looks does not lower women's standards, it increases their standards, you want to tackle the problem at the wrong end, its like cutting into the middle side of a candle to light the wick there JFL.

2. How, you aren't giving any specifics, what can a normie male do lower the collective female SMV, that doesn't put his current normie life at risk?

that might also help you because you can get a better looking girl friend or another one.
I agree, it will help YOU and only PERSONALLY YOU, and every other man who looksmaxxes effectively, because like I said before:

Self improvement only works on a case by case basis, if you improve YOUR looks, it only benefits YOU. If men collectively increase their looks then women will just collectively increase their standards
Just because you finally have sex doesn't mean you forget about the blackpill and start to accept hypergamous thots.
1. Being very vague here, what do you mean by "accept", its obvious you're still going to fuck hypergamous thots because if they are "wet" for you and throwing pussy your way with your mindset I doubt you'd refuse, nobody is talking about marriage here, so be honest, guys like you are going to "accept" them in relation to sex.

2. If it comes between you publicly denouncing the black pill and getting laid, you'll choose getting laid, because since you had to "ascend" it would be a waste of all the time, effort and money you invested to ruin your sex life, so you basically have to denounce the black pill to get your money's worth, stuff like this will come up in conversations with your GF because it takes place in the political landscape, she's going to be saying shit like - "man these loser weirdos, why don't they just try having a nice personality, just be themselves" and you are just going to awkwardly laugh and agree, because I doubt after all the effort put in to get to that point you're going to jeporadize it by being honest, you just aren't.

Isn't making money a way to better yourself in order to make getting pussy easier for you?
False comparison, you are disingenuously using words to make looksmaxxing and paying for sex similar. I'm not advocating wealthmaxxing to "attract" women like you are advocating for looksmaxxing to "attract" women, I'm advocating for wealthmaxxing to "buy women" like a product, its not the same thing.

To compare the two, would be like comparing a guy who researches gardening and uses his resources to get seeds, materials, tools, etc to grow a garden for vegetables, and a man who merely saves up his money and goes to a grocery store and buys vegetables. One is trying to do something revolving around "effort" because his ego is a factor in the scenario, he wants to "accomplish" something, the other simply just wants vegetables and decides he can just use money to buy vegetables.

You reminded me of another aspect about "ascenders" that I hate, and the whole looksmaxxing culture as a whole, its egotistical, which is very funny, extremely ironic, for a group of self professed losers to be so egotistical and to revolve their lifestyle and choices around ego, you'd think that our life expriences would have made us focus on logical choices rather than ego based ones, you'd think that our egos would have been destroyed long ago, but you'd also think that looksmaxxers are for the most part "legit incels" and they're not, most are just failed normies.
 

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2. If it comes between you publicly denouncing the black pill and getting laid, you'll choose getting laid, because since you had to "ascend" it would be a waste of all the time, effort and money you invested to ruin your sex life, so you basically have to denounce the black pill to get your money's worth, stuff like this will come up in conversations with your GF because it takes place in the political landscape, she's going to be saying shit like - "man these loser weirdos, why don't they just try having a nice personality, just be themselves" and you are just going to awkwardly laugh and agree, because I doubt after all the effort put in to get to that point you're going to jeporadize it by being honest, you just aren't.
That's not true. You don't owe the one or two women you finally get to screw any public image facade, at least not any more than a blackpilled incel.
False comparison, you are disingenuously using words to make looksmaxxing and paying for sex similar. I'm not advocating wealthmaxxing to "attract" women like you are advocating for looksmaxxing to "attract" women, I'm advocating for wealthmaxxing to "buy women" like a product, its not the same thing.
By escortcelling you are also increasing their smv by giving them money, therefore they'll be less dependent on a betabux's resources.
1. Being very vague here, what do you mean by "accept", its obvious you're still going to fuck hypergamous thots because if they are "wet" for you and throwing pussy your way with your mindset I doubt you'd refuse, nobody is talking about marriage here, so be honest, guys like you are going to "accept" them in relation to sex.
Just because you fuck one or two of them doesn't mean you owe them anything more than having sex with a prostitute. You don't owe them any special solidarity because your dick voluntarily went in their vagina. There are plenty of low inhib slayers who say lots of politically incorrect things.
 
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That's not true. You don't owe the one or two women you finally get to screw any public image facade, at least not any more than a blackpilled incel.
You still are being vague, I gave you a very specific scenario, maybe I should have posed it as a question and not expected you to answer directly, so here I go:

In the scenario I proposed, what are you going to tell that girlfriend when she starts talking about incels and/or the black pill, and what do you think will be the end result of your answer/actions?

By escortcelling you are also increasing their smv by giving them money, therefore they'll be less dependent on a betabux's resources.
1. Money does not increase a woman's sexual market value, they aren't men, what you're saying is complete BS, what are you even saying here.

Answer this question: Does her having more money make her more attractive to the men paying to fuck her? (try and be honest and not deflect from the question, I'm being very direct)

2. Please tell me the bad part about them not being dependent on betabux's, I don't want them to scooped up by some "captain-save-a-hoe" betabuxxer looking to "save her", I'd much prefer she get used to the life that being a whore allows her to live, so I can keep using her as a whore. I don't want betabuxxers dating and marrying whores because THATS WHAT INCREASES THEIR STANDARDS, I'm against betabuxxers, I'd kill them all off if I could. Betabuxxers have ruined the dating game because women all think they have a safety net after they're done with the cock carousel.

You are really confusing me here, you're acting like women being dependent on betabuxxers is a good thing for incels or men in general, its not, we need to end the betabux cycle, make betabuxxing something that is shamed, make it harder for betabuxxers to get women.

Just because you fuck one or two of them doesn't mean you owe them anything more than having sex with a prostitute. You don't owe them any special solidarity because your dick voluntarily went in their vagina. There are plenty of low inhib slayers who say lots of politically incorrect things.
What you said here literally had nothing to do with the point you quoted, so let me say it again and be direct, I don't see how you keep doing this, it feels like you're doing it on purpose:

WOULD YOU FUCK AND/OR DATE HYPERGAMOUS THOTS THAT ARE SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO YOU?

If the answer is yes, then you do in fact ACCEPT them, guys who put effort into looksmaxxing likely aren't going to pass up sex, because all women are pretty much hypergamous thots. I don't know where the hell anything I said alluded to claiming you'd offer them special treatment or solidarity, I'm being very specific and direct in everything I'm saying and its like you're going into full cope mode and disregarding anything I say and putting your own spin on it.

Read over again what you quoted from me:
Being very vague here, what do you mean by "accept", its obvious you're still going to fuck hypergamous thots because if they are "wet" for you and throwing pussy your way with your mindset I doubt you'd refuse, nobody is talking about marriage here, so be honest, guys like you are going to "accept" them in relation to sex.
I literally said you are "going to accept them in relation to sex"
 
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Maybe he means that by being part of the demand for her services, you're bidding up the price.
That would be true if she was the only whore working in that specific area, but she knows there are other whores around and she has to price her assets competitively else she'd lose customers. That's why I keep saying prostitution has to be decriminalized or at least legalized, because paying for sex is only as expensive as it is now because its not legal, as men were not only paying the fee to fuck, were paying the "cost of doing business" fee because we have to cover the costs of the risks the whores, brothel owners, etc are taking to facilitate access to sex while its illegal, if prostitution was at least legal, those establishments would start popping up all over the place, strip clubs would start turning into "side brothels" over night, and the general price of sex would go down, because access to it would be up. If your prices are too high a man could just go to another whore house in the next town, etc.

The free market always leads to competitive pricing.

If we follow his logic (well what you claim he means), then alcohol should be extremely expensive, because a lot of people buy alcohol, yet it is actually pretty cheap for something that is in high demand, and its obvious why, because you can just go to another bar to get a drink, a lot of places have bars in the same area, you have to price fairly and/or competitively else you'll lose your customers.
 
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Maybe he means that by being part of the demand for her services, you're bidding up the price.
I'd say it empowers females. The existence of cam whore sites is truly a worse disaster, because that empowers them without them requiring to provide sex.
 

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In the scenario I proposed, what are you going to tell that girlfriend when she starts talking about incels and/or the black pill, and what do you think will be the end result of your answer/actions?
I will tell her the blackpill is true. If she freaks out then she's just an NPC slut I'll be better off without.
Answer this question: Does her having more money make her more attractive to the men paying to fuck her? (try and be honest and not deflect from the question, I'm being very direct)
It can make her more attractive if she gets surgery and uses expensive makeup.
WOULD YOU FUCK AND/OR DATE HYPERGAMOUS THOTS THAT ARE SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO YOU?

If the answer is yes, then you do in fact ACCEPT them, guys who put effort into looksmaxxing likely aren't going to pass up sex, because all women are pretty much hypergamous thots.
Yes I would, but wouldn't you also be "accepting" a hooker when you pay to have sex with her? The only difference I see is the guy getting the sex voluntarily didn't have to pay.
If we follow his logic (well what you claim he means), then alcohol should be extremely expensive, because a lot of people buy alcohol, yet it is actually pretty cheap for something that is in high demand, and its obvious why, because you can just go to another bar to get a drink, a lot of places have bars in the same area, you have to price fairly and/or competitively else you'll lose your customers.
When you give your money to a prostitute the money doesn't disappear. She can save it or buy a house with it. Once she has enough money she might not want to be a prostitute any more.
2. Please tell me the bad part about them not being dependent on betabux's, I don't want them to scooped up by some "captain-save-a-hoe" betabuxxer looking to "save her", I'd much prefer she get used to the life that being a whore allows her to live, so I can keep using her as a whore. I don't want betabuxxers dating and marrying whores because THATS WHAT INCREASES THEIR STANDARDS, I'm against betabuxxers, I'd kill them all off if I could. Betabuxxers have ruined the dating game because women all think they have a safety net after they're done with the cock carousel.

You are really confusing me here, you're acting like women being dependent on betabuxxers is a good thing for incels or men in general, its not, we need to end the betabux cycle, make betabuxxing something that is shamed, make it harder for betabuxxers to get women.
If whores have all the money they want and don't need to depend on betabuxxers, then there will almost be no prostitutes left.
 
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It can make her more attractive if she gets surgery and uses expensive makeup.
Alright so now you're just playing semantic BS games rather than admitting it was a bad point you made, by your logic being a beta orbiter can increase my chances of getting laid because she MAY one day get drunk around me and I can take advantage of that, also showering 5 times a day makes you more attractive because if I encounter a woman who likes the smell of soap she's more likely to be attracted to me, you are just claiming that something works by adding extra "possible steps" at the end of the sequence, you are being DISINGENUOUS.

Yes I would, but wouldn't you also be "accepting" a hooker when you pay to have sex with her?
Are you "accepting" of the street vendor you buy a hotdog from, or are you just buying a hotdog from him. You see I don't have to talk to the hotdog vendor, I don't have to get him to like me, think I'm a "good person", etc, I just buy hotdogs from him, and he just sells me hotdogs, are you getting the point, you have to get your GF to like you, and you are being disingenuous when you said that you would just leave her, because if you are an incel, then there's no way you are going to jeopardize all the hard work you put into ascending when you can just lie and keep your happy life up.

You are outright lying when you said this -
I will tell her the blackpill is true. If she freaks out then she's just an NPC slut I'll be better off without.
You aren't fucking Chad (or are you?), you can't afford to throw away chances like that, you are acting as if its easy for you to get another woman, and if it is so easy for you, then were you even incel to begin with, I'd argue you were just a failed normie if a few improvements looks wise leads to you being able to "pull rank" and drop women so easily like you can get another one.

You are sounding less and less like an incel and more and more like a normie, the more you speak about this issue.

The only difference I see is the guy getting the sex voluntarily didn't have to pay.
All men are paying at the end of the day and if you don't realize this then you are still blue pilled, men who have sex with "on-duty" whores are making "direct payments" (money), and men who have sex with "civilian" whores are making "indirect payments" (alcoholic drinks, food, holiday gifts, jewelry, transportation, etc). All women are whores, and all men are johns, the direct form is just currently illegal for moral reasons but even that is going to change one day. There is objectively no difference between:

A. Taking a woman out on a date, spending $500 in total and being rewarded with sex for a "good time" (DATING)
B. Hiring a woman to go out with you for a bit, spending around $200 dollars on everything and $300 for the sex (ESCORT)
C. Going to an establishment that is filled with women selling sex, and paying $500 for an all you can fuck evening (PROSTITUTION)

At the end of the day, $500 dollars worth of your monetary resources were utilized in your endevour to acquire sexual resources. If anything the guy who chose the dating method chose the most round about method, because his method has a "gambling mechanic" hardwired into it, so he isn't even guaranteed sex after spending all of his money. This is why dating as an average/below average man is illogical, you'll end up spending 10 times more than a chad, and still not even get to sniff a pussy much more fuck one, the wiser choice is the one with the guarantee.

Also notice I've not even included the time, effort and resources put into "looksmaxxing" to even get to the point where you are allowed the chance to gamble for pussy, so much time and resources goes into your method and even then nothing is guaranteed, with my method you could just exercise and stay fit for your own sake (if you so please) and just pay for what you want and skip all the BS mind games and the gamble.

When you give your money to a prostitute the money doesn't disappear. She can save it or buy a house with it. Once she has enough money she might not want to be a prostitute any more.

If whores have all the money they want and don't need to depend on betabuxxers, then there will almost be no prostitutes left.
1. Most women who become whores actually remain whores for decades into their 40's even, because the deman never ends and the money is always good for the time spent. They have no reason to stop, a lot of these women use drugs, and have extravagant lifestyles as a means to cope with their life choices, that is expensive, so they are pretty much married to the job, they have to keep working to maintain their lifestyle

2. Your argument that we'll some how run out of prostitutes if we keep paying prostitutes leaves me confused as hell, by your logic how is it that we keep seeing new female pornstars popping up, oh right, women don't have this one bank account that they all share, some random old bitch becoming a famous porn star and making millions doesn't improve the life of some random budding 18 year old whore who wants some money too, whores are an endless resource, because they age, and they get replaced with younger better looking women, there will always be more whores.

You ever notice there is a "life cycle" for female pornstars, its reflected in the categories.
Teen>Adult>MILF

When a female pornstar reaches the milf phase of her career, there's another one in queue to take up her position as a teen, its like a conveyor belt of whores.[/QUOTE]
 
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Are you "accepting" of the street vendor you buy a hotdog from, or are you just buying a hotdog from him. You see I don't have to talk to the hotdog vendor, I don't have to get him to like me, think I'm a "good person", etc, I just buy hotdogs from him, and he just sells me hotdogs, are you getting the point, you have to get your GF to like you, and you are being disingenuous when you said that you would just leave her, because if you are an incel, then there's no way you are going to jeopardize all the hard work you put into ascending when you can just lie and keep your happy life up.

You are outright lying when you said this -
If you get an sjw girlfriend you can just lie to her until you find a better one. If you follow the guide I made and do all the surgeries you need, you can easily go from a 4 to a 7 if you're already tall, not too old, and have good skin. You also claimed getting an escort is the same price as having a girlfriend, so there would be no major reason to worry about losing her if she can easily be replaced with a hooker.
You aren't fucking Chad (or are you?), you can't afford to throw away chances like that, you are acting as if its easy for you to get another woman, and if it is so easy for you, then were you even incel to begin with, I'd argue you were just a failed normie if a few improvements looks wise leads to you being able to "pull rank" and drop women so easily like you can get another one.

You are sounding less and less like an incel and more and more like a normie, the more you speak about this issue.
I'm a 4 now but hopefully I can follow my guide and get to at least a 6 or maybe even 7. The most dangerous man on the planet is a blackpilled chad-lite, if you're one you can help incels ascend and tell your extra hoes to fuck them.

All men are paying at the end of the day and if you don't realize this then you are still blue pilled, men who have sex with "on-duty" whores are making "direct payments" (money), and men who have sex with "civilian" whores are making "indirect payments" (alcoholic drinks, food, holiday gifts, jewelry, transportation, etc). All women are whores, and all men are johns, the direct form is just currently illegal for moral reasons but even that is going to change one day. There is objectively no difference between:

A. Taking a woman out on a date, spending $500 in total and being rewarded with sex for a "good time" (DATING)
B. Hiring a woman to go out with you for a bit, spending around $200 dollars on everything and $300 for the sex (ESCORT)
C. Going to an establishment that is filled with women selling sex, and paying $500 for an all you can fuck evening (PROSTITUTION)

At the end of the day, $500 dollars worth of your monetary resources were utilized in your endevour to acquire sexual resources. If anything the guy who chose the dating method chose the most round about method, because his method has a "gambling mechanic" hardwired into it, so he isn't even guaranteed sex after spending all of his money. This is why dating as an average/below average man is illogical, you'll end up spending 10 times more than a chad, and still not even get to sniff a pussy much more fuck one, the wiser choice is the one with the guarantee.

Also notice I've not even included the time, effort and resources put into "looksmaxxing" to even get to the point where you are allowed the chance to gamble for pussy, so much time and resources goes into your method and even then nothing is guaranteed, with my method you could just exercise and stay fit for your own sake (if you so please) and just pay for what you want and skip all the BS mind games and the gamble.
Yeah it's a gamble to court foids, but you don't have to spend that much money each time, and once you fuck her a couple times then you can almost stop spending money on her all together, even if you're only a 5 or 6, just as long as you don't marry or move in with each other.
2. Your argument that we'll some how run out of prostitutes if we keep paying prostitutes leaves me confused as hell, by your logic how is it that we keep seeing new female pornstars popping up, oh right, women don't have this one bank account that they all share, some random old bitch becoming a famous porn star and making millions doesn't improve the life of some random budding 18 year old whore who wants some money too, whores are an endless resource, because they age, and they get replaced with younger better looking women, there will always be more whores.

You ever notice there is a "life cycle" for female pornstars, its reflected in the categories.
Teen>Adult>MILF

When a female pornstar reaches the milf phase of her career, there's another one in queue to take up her position as a teen, its like a conveyor belt of whores
When they pass 40 and have enough money to look after themselves from whoring, then their potential milf chasing clients and betabuxxers lose out. The young girls want to retire early like them and not have to depend on a betabux, so they charge top dollar for their youth and follow the old whore's steps to retire early.

The only things that increases foid smv is either giving them money, attention, and lack of slut shaming. It costs money to do business with a whore as an escortcel, and it costs time and attention to get a girl without paying, so I don't see why the two groups have to hate each other.
 
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The only things that increases foid smv is either giving them money, attention, and lack of slut shaming
Money does not increase female SMV, stop being disingenuous, I like how you conveniently did not quote the part of my last post where I addressed the Bs you said about her getting money and using it to possibly increase her looks JFL.

All women on the planet could stop using deoderant and stop shaving, and men would still be pining after 4/10's. Just having a hole inbetween your legs essentially makes you a default 6 out of 10, so even when a woman is objectively a 4, she's basically a 6 because we want her holes.

I don't see why the two groups have to hate each other.
Because one group is treating women like a product, and the other is rewarding women with validation by putting up with their BS

Also one's actions is a collective detriment to all men in general if it is collectively practiced, a bunch of men start using whores and teh SMV of average women plummet, and they get less attention and validation, a bunch of men start looksmaxxing and women's standards increase because the base level looks of the male population is increasing, its obvious why the two groups have to be against eachother, one group can essentially fuck shit up for all of us, the other group can only make things better.
 

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All women on the planet could stop using deoderant and stop shaving, and men would still be pining after 4/10's. Just having a hole inbetween your legs essentially makes you a default 6 out of 10, so even when a woman is objectively a 4, she's basically a 6 because we want her holes.
Wanting to fuck them isn't the same as wanting to marry and have kids with them.
One's actions is a collective detriment to all men in general if it is collectively practiced, a bunch of men start using whores and teh SMV of average women plummet, and they get less attention and validation, a bunch of men start looksmaxxing and women's standards increase because the base level looks of the male population is increasing, its obvious why the two groups have to be against eachother, one group can essentially fuck shit up for all of us, the other group can only make things better.
To me being angry at looksmaxxers is the same as being angry at guys who get haircuts and care about their appearance. I won't hate a guy for going to the gym, brushing his teeth daily, and getting surgery. If you only want to escortcel then why would you care if foids standards increased for normies? If most men are looksmaxxed and blackpilled, whores will charge less than they do now. Raising their standards slightly is far less worse than all the bluepilled cucks and our lack of slut shaming.
 
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